tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3056373842046198497.post2006684201030482828..comments2023-11-05T21:22:27.350-08:00Comments on Exploring The Time Lab: Just to Clarify...Erin S.http://www.blogger.com/profile/15663158782066282265noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3056373842046198497.post-1983823462657370602015-07-06T16:34:52.123-07:002015-07-06T16:34:52.123-07:00I haven't read it before, likely because I try...I haven't read it before, likely because I try to avoid a lot of the hate directed toward RHATO. It's usually the same uniformed argument that everyone uses. RHATO was good for all three of the leads who didn't fare so well at the end of the pre-Flashpoint universe. If someone doesn't like the series fine but they should at least read and support why instead of echoing others.<br /><br />I loved the trio in RHATO, I honestly think it's the best all of them have been written in years even with the changes. The series wasn't perfect but it wasn't what people made it sound like.<br /><br />Thanks!Erin S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15663158782066282265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3056373842046198497.post-22134540732908477842015-07-06T15:27:50.125-07:002015-07-06T15:27:50.125-07:00I'm am so gled I found this article. You have...I'm am so gled I found this article. You have have basically said everything I've been thinking since this book came out. Have you read this article http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2015/03/06/starfires-new-costume-a-reflection-of-her-history-and-personality/<br /><br /> this shit truly pissed me off leading me to leave this comment <br />"I feel that this article is too one sided when it comes to Starfire in the Nu52. I was also exposed to her from the cartoon show but also I read red hood and the outlaws because I enjoyed it. When it comes to the first issue of RHATO if you continue on with the series you learn that she has never had sex with Jason Todd and yes she does remember who Dick Grayson is even though she claimed she didn’t ( I can’t remember which issue but jason and dick have a discussion about the relationship). Also through the series she maintains a happy relationship with Roy. Personality wise I perfer her characterization in the Nu52 than the cartoon; I enjoyed the fact she is more serious and not really concerned with how things on earth operated( especially when she was paired with superman, very interesting foil between the two) . Her stories in the book showed that she is incredibly intelligent and powerful( being able to pilot a spacecraft, kicking a nuke, commanding a crew in space for example). Also I can see how people are off put by the costume but for me Kenneth Rocafort, Brett Booth, RB Silva and Rafa Sandoval did great jobs drawing her as both beautiful and capable ( also it’s never mentioned the armor she wore during the space arc and the possible costume slightly featured in Teen Titans #16, #17 and the unused cover drawn by Mico Sauyan). So yes she is different from her previous incarnations but the nu52 also changed roy and jason’s personalities ( jason for the better roy different but I like it) and made it interesting to read them together as very close friends." Anyway again love this article. <br /><br />BluePrinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10146442154537426321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3056373842046198497.post-63863066208840370632015-06-13T11:32:24.688-07:002015-06-13T11:32:24.688-07:00That too and the scandal started from the first is...That too and the scandal started from the first issue. They really are and/or they have no idea what happened in RHATO. But I also get the impression they don't like Jason since they had Roy, Essence, Cheshire and Tim instead of Jason. They don't even mention him unless he's the one Essence was off handedly referring to as the he that talked about a road trip.Erin S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15663158782066282265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3056373842046198497.post-79764968062541381352015-06-13T10:58:06.057-07:002015-06-13T10:58:06.057-07:00I have to wonder if the bias more than aimed to ch...I have to wonder if the bias more than aimed to characters is aimed towards Lobdell. There's eomthing about the interviews with Conner and Palmiotti that comes off like being passive-agressive when talking about her time with the Outlaws. The fact that them (as many people over the internet) seem to have never read/know beyond RHATO #1 doesn't do them any favors.<br /><br />Dark_Tzitziminehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17055905660404131186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3056373842046198497.post-31555066671207536912015-06-13T08:39:45.314-07:002015-06-13T08:39:45.314-07:00If Kori was just confused over one thing then fine...If Kori was just confused over one thing then fine. But for her to not understand sarcasm, turns of phrases, to start bawling over a near strangers' loss, etc. it's a problem. Kori knew humor in RHATO, she often used sarcasm with Roy when he was joking around. <br /><br />I don't care if she hasn't had a human experience like filling out a form for a job. There's a way to write her maturely without it looking like she got mind wiped. And I don't remember NTT making her act this bad. Kori would get confused sure but she'd be more patient and explain why she didn't understand. It wasn't handled the same.<br /><br />The tone is completely different from NTT because it's played for laughs. Except for her not getting why people got upset about nudity NTT wasn't really about making her naive nature a joke. Some things frustrated her, others upset her, it was a complete picture.<br /><br />This acts like she just crash landed or had her memories taken. Does it ignore RHATO? Mostly (except for knowing a few people from there) but if I had to guess I'd say it was more of a bias against Jason than Roy. Instead of having Kori as a mature woman that knows about earth customs but chooses not to indulge them all she's taken back even further than the NTT portrayal. In that regard it feels like what was done with Batgirl.<br /><br />I have seen some long time Starfire fans online that hate this take. I'm guessing it's mostly loved for its creators, being trendy, going against RHATO. That said I find it insulting. I saw someone hoping this is Kori playing dumb but given interviews they want her to be naive.Erin S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15663158782066282265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3056373842046198497.post-30930128523172654272015-06-13T04:27:04.675-07:002015-06-13T04:27:04.675-07:00To add on this, just check this answer I got on a ...To add on this, just check this answer I got on a forum as response of my critics on Starfire's portrayal:<br /><br />Me<br />"Palmiotti and Conner use Lobdell's origin and background (glossing over her time with the Outlaws) but despite Kori being well adapted and quite savy during her time with the boys now suddenly she doesn't understand human currency or the concepts of work and dying of old age. This creates a pretty jarring characterization that at least for me, was enough to kill any interest I've had on the character."<br /><br />Other guy<br />"Uh, she clearly understands the concepts but well, a princess-turned-slave/lab rat is pretty much not going to have any practical experience of jobhunting. It's not 'what is 'work'?' so much as Kimmy Schmidt not knowing how to apply for a job. And she knew about death pretty clearly too, she just, unlike in Red Hood, displayed empathy (which is supposed to be Tamaran's hat) and was immediately expressing that for the sheriff's loss.<br /><br />In case you can't tell, I liked Starfire #1 a LOT. (Especially the 'More English?' gag.)<br /><br />It's an obvious reaction to the justified uproar over Nu52 Starfire. This is more of a return to her NTT roots mixed with the cartoon version, which is a substantial improvement."<br /><br />I just can't even understand this logic, like, really guys? REALLY?Dark_Tzitziminehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17055905660404131186noreply@blogger.com